Hi Mobashford, thanks for your question.
I really want to help but I'm a bit confused about this investment - could you give us a few more details, such as what type of investment it was and how the society's properties relate to it?
Thanks,
Hello Rebecca, This is a PIP We have 2. one month ago they were
valued at £85.000 they dropped overnight to £77000 as the building society had revalued there freehold properties. The cash is invested in property about 50% Money about 25% and Gilt and fixed Interest about 25%. I was told this was free of inheritance tax. I also have 3 smaller ones the same invested for grandchildren to give them £10,000 at 18 years these have dropped about £100 I was wondering whether to draw the small ones out and put them in the GPO at 5% instead
Thank you
John
John
It is difficult to give specific advice about your situation without more detail so bear with my general comments.
I think you are using the term PIP as the shorthand for Personal Investment Plan which if I am thinking of the right bank is a flexible endowment. You can pay in a lump sum, regular payment or both.
You mention Inheritance Tax so I assume that these plans were written in a gift trust. If this is the case then it has a direct bearing in whether you can withdraw your money or not. If it is in a gift trust then you may be restricted in terms of how you can withdraw the money. Once the plan is in trust you are handling these plans as a trustee not as an owner. Therefore it may well be that to surrender would mean having to pass the benefits out to the beneficiaries.
It seems from the detail that you give that the plan was heavily invested in a commerical property fund. As you now know these funds have suffered falls in value in the last few months. Commercial Property is an important asset in anyone's portfolio but 50% is too high a percentage for most people. It is probably not a good idea to withdraw from a fund that has fallen this much as you are crystallising a loss. The assets could go further but there is probably some swing pricing in here as well. This is where the fund manager drops the unit price by 5% to ensure that anyone withdrawing pays the fair costs of selling off some of the property portfolio. In normal trading conditions this price should swing back the other way.
If you are thinking about cashing in you need to take some independent advice first. This is because you need someone who is suitably qualified to look at the trust as well as the investment and quantify for you what you lose by withdrawing. It sounds as if the original advice was from a Tied Adviser. I suggest paying for this advice on a fee basis rather than commission to avoid being sold another product by an adviser.
Please post again if you have further questions.
Matt Pitcher is a wealth adviser at Towry Law Group and a Moneywise Ask The Professionals columnist
Thanks for that Matt. I am able to cancel and withdraw the lot if I want to. I was advised that this was a good method of stopping the inheritance tax thing, I was taking about £3000 a year out for holidays etc, but have stopped now, my tied F A is coming down to see us again and thinks it would be foolish to surrender the personal investment plans. I see his reasoning, but will wait a while, they seem to think something will happen in March.
I will let you know what happens when I have seen the man
Regards John
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I recently invested £80.000 with a large building society (not Northern Rock) It is supposed to be protected against inheritance tax.
The Building society has now devalued the value of the properties they own, and the value of my cash has dropped about £8000 overnight.
Do you think I should withdraw everyting and invest some where else or just ride it out and see if it will recover