How much do you need for an acceptable standard of living?

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Esther Armstrong
Tue, 06/07/2010 - 14:59

A single person now needs a minimum yearly income of £14,400 (before tax) to afford an acceptable standard of living, according to the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (JRF).

What income do you think is necessary to have an acceptable standard of living? Do you think nights out and holidays are luxuries or necessities? Have your say in our forum now.

Guest (not verified):

This is all "happy news" for impoverished pensioners. May be someone will tell them how they are to even exist on the State Pension (about £5200 a year, plus any supplementary amount if they qualify) but if they heeded the government and 'saved for their old age' then they have been swindled out of a decent interest rate to allow the negligent bankers and others to top up their coffers so they can get their fat salaries and disgusting bonuses. Conned again.
Suggestion. Be wise, live your life in social housing, spend all you can earn/get from the state in benefits, then extract every possible benefit when you reach retirement age. A bonus: tax free!

What assumptions have been made here other than the ones mentioned in the article? I hope they're not the same ones that say a child lives in poverty if (s)he doesn't have a Wii, flat screen telly and a computer in their room! 

Difficult to say, being married and living in a village in SE England with almost no bus service.

Looking at the figures I calculate that, after taking care of fixed costs (tax, car, rates, water, electricity, gas, etc), and assuming no mortgage repayment, there would be just under £570 per month to cover all living expenses i.e. just under £11 per week.

dhe%$dts (not verified):

£29,200 seems very generous for a couple with two kids.

I earn £26,000, have two kids and my partner doesn't work, yet we manage to have a detached house, two cars, two motorbikes, all the usual techno stuff (Plasma, Wii, iPod, computers etc) and get away (UK camping holidays) two or three times a year.
We don't go to the pub/club/cinema or smoke so maybe we save there, but I would say that my standard of living is well above a "minimum" to be acceptable.

Wilfred Pickles (not verified):

Hell. I couldn't exist of less than £200K.

Anything less than that would be a nightmare.

 The full report is available on the Joseph Rowntree Foundation website.

RSBJ35 - as the article stated, the ability to go on nights out, a yearly holiday and being able to afford to buy birthday presents were deemed essential, as was access to the internet within the home. 

Also seen as necessities for an acceptable standard of living were: access to a landline and ownership of a mobile phone for all adults and secondary school age children.

In terms of a social life the report states: "People should be able to socialise with family and friends, and to participate in exercise and entertainment outside the home."

crewdto - I suppose where you live will definitely make a difference. The minimum income required is also supposed to pay for fixed costs such as rent/mortgage/bills/food/clothing etc. Does your calculation still hold?

Guest (not verified):

Do you have to pay mortgage for your detached house?

M.J. (not verified):

If everyone regarded a night out, and a holiday as a luxury, plus some of the other things we take for granted now-a-days then the country, nay, the world would be a better place. We have become a hedonistic society that must have all the latest things at any cost. The last government realised this and ,to currie favour, took no control over the banks allowing,even encouraging them to lend money with no regard to the ability of the borrowers to repay the debt. This did however let the hedonistic voters to think that, with the government of the time ,"they had never had it so good" Now we are having to pay the price, all of us even those who did not run into debt.

GUEST (not verified):

i COULDN'T HAVE PUT IT BETTER MYSELF- I FEEL TOTALLY CONNED/UNDERVALUED FOR HAVING WORKED HARD/BROUGHT UP A FAMILY/TRIED TO SAVE FOR RETIREMENT

Very Rich Guy (not verified):

Please tell me how you manage to live on £200K.

£200K wouldnt even last me a week thats just fuel for my private jet. However i suppose if I scrimped a little id be able to manage on a £10 million a year. God the thought of keeping the same car for for more than 6 months and only 20 luxury first class holidays doesnt even bear worth thinking about. I may also need to get rid of half my house keeping staff to about 30. But there is no way im getting rid of my stretched limo, helecoptor and private jet. I am open to suggestions if anyone can think of ways where I can save a few million a year.

Cheers

Very Rich Guy.

Add up all the MP's salaries and perks and get the average, then that is what we should be getting as an average wage. Afterall, MP's are non productive and earn nothing.

 

if i just had my local councillors expenses id be rich

Guest (not verified):

I don't do the social scene in terms of pubs, clubs, restaurants, gym etc and I haven't had a holiday for five years. The reason why is all my "spare" cash and savings goes on the upkeep of my horse, who lots of people would say is a real luxury but surely in this age of diversity and inclusion how individuals choose to spend their 'spare' cash and time is personal? A large percentage of horse owners earn less than £10k a year so we're not all idle rich.

Guest (not verified):

Where are you living? Seems you could do with a kick in the pants, go to ground level, and see how the rest of us live, on a limited income, or a pension.
Think you may be one of the silver spoon brigade, who never thinks of anyone else; try living the ordinary life for a week, and see how you like it.
The day may soon come, when you have to live on a lot less than 2ooK. and your nightmare may well begin.
Hope it is sooner, rather than later.

Guest (not verified):

YOU ARE HAVING A LAUGHT AREN'T YOU?????

Guest (not verified):

I guess the person saying they earn 26k a year live in a detached house etc two cars etc... are living in a council house?? I earn 35k and my wife earns 30k and we are strruggling to save a deposit for a house. We don't scrimp and save too much but work hard. We have no kids and don't go on fancy holidays but surely we should be able to save something !

£1000 goes out on rent each month...plus bills, £300 on petrol etc etc

I think I need to move to another country to get a decent standard of living or push for a big pay rise !

Not complaining (not verified):

It's really all relevant, isn't it? -whether you've £20, £200 or £2k a week to live off, most live accordingly
What I've never understood is why the Gov. say that if you're 59 and 364 days old, you need only half of what you need the next day, i.e when a person reaches 60 the benefit is doubled and free transport pass means no bus/train fares which means being able to travel a bit further afield and hopefully be able pick up a few bargains - mainly food in my case. Having lived and worked in a 3rd world country with no 'safety net' when you find yourself out of work, I've found that British people in general have no idea of how well off they are. Everything is cheap here - nothing wrong with supermarkets own brands esp. food, or Primark for clothing, and the Pound shops are a great place for finding things you need but never see elsewhere.or, if you do, they are 10 times the price.
I can't understand how anyone CANNOT live on £130 per week [for a single pensioner]and NOT also save, yet, unfortunately, I've met far too many who can't [or won't] .

Guest (not verified):

Is your mortgage not a large amount of your outgoings then as we are on a similar budget but have £700 a month for the mortgage

Guest (not verified):

i could not agree with you more Not Complaining. My mum as a single parent brought three kids up on about 11,000 a year max. and we never went without (well maybe gameboys and playstations, but never anything important)!
we also spent half our childhood in china, where i moved back for three years when i was 18- i was living on 70 a month there (obv all relative). i am now back in the uk as a student and working 15 hrs a week as a cashier, and the richest iv ever been!! i can save, i live very comfortably(finally bought that playstation:D), and dont want any more...
it really does just seem to me that people really dont have any concept of 'poverty'. i really cannot relate to the mentality that if you cant afford a wii then you're in some kind of financial hardship. its about priorities and choices!!!!

Guest (not verified):

Is this being made up? It is the same as the so called reports that state that the average wedding cots 90 grillion pounds. Well, it does if you include the month honeymoon somewhere exotic and the £100,000 deposit on the house. Complete b******s..

Guest (not verified):

Being serious the basic state pension for a single person is £97 a week. On that you are supposed to be able to live. How, I do not know!

I have an occupational pension unlike 31% of the retired who live on the basic state pension. That number will increase rapidly now the fat cat directors have opted out of mrtgage provision.

Personally I live very frugally, no holidays, no nights out. Luxury one car. I survive well enough. I did make the mistake of saving for my retirement which I am fast learning was not a good idea. It seems it cuts you out of all the payments the governemtn claims to make.

My big concern is how long can we go on having one of the worst state pension schemes in Europe? Is the plan to increase mortality to a high level with people starving/freezing to death? You do wonder! And yes, I do realise other countries have people who are in a worse way. But I happen to believe charity should begin at home!

Guest (not verified):

You can actually live on very little when you are retired provided that you have paid off your mortgage and have no debts. I do not indulge in retail therapy, having purchased most of the things I need prior to retirement. My net income is actually higher than when I retired nine years ago, as all I pay is a small amount of income tax - No NI or pension contributions plus other things which took half my salary.

Noone in this country is actually living in poverty - you only have to see Indian children picking over rubbish dumps to find something of value, Africans walking miles to get water or South American children who live on the streets permanently. We should all stop moaning and realise how well off we are. If we have to tighten our belts to get out of the horrendous debt we are in, so be it. We do not have a god given right to maintain or increase our standard of living especially if we have not earned it.

Guest (not verified):

you need to take a course in economics

onketing india (not verified):

the world has become very expensive have to find ways to earn that something extra.

HarryBelle (not verified):

Unbelievable! No poverty in this country? We have teenagers living on our streets, children eating less than one meal a day, families living in unheated 1 bedroom damp and uninhabitable bedsits, working adults earning substantially less than required to house, clothe and feed themselves and their families not to mention the elderly generation who are afraid to turn on heating because it is too expensive! I am a volunteer (and have a full time job) and have seen some desperately impoverished individuals (not all drug addicts or single mothers!) and the suffering of children in this country.
I agree, we do not have the level of poverty as seen in other countries of the world - yet poverty DOES exist in this country!
Please, please do not assume that because you are comfortable (albeit struggling) that everyone else is too.
It may not be our God-Given right to expect increased standards - but it is our God-Given choice to help those around us whose standards of living are considerably poor and if that means that those of us who are poverty - open our eyes and actually look and we will see the suffering of others and they didn't deserve that!

Tricia (not verified):

Well I am a pensioner and I receive 127.00 a week pension. I have worked all my life but due to illness I had to give up work this year. My electricity gas and water rates cost me £153.00 per month. House insurance which I have to have because of the mortgage company £44.00 per month. 21.00 per month for my funeral. My mortgage is £154.00 per month. The Government give me £9.75 a week pension credit, and 14.13 per week towards my mortgage. There is no way on Gods earth can I pay my mortgage without more help, yet if I lived in a council owned property They would pay up to 400.00 per month rent . Not fair at all