Should the rich subsidise council tax bills?
As someone on a low-ish wage (well, less than £200k) then I'd say yes! But realistically, this is not going to go down well ... can you image what the Torys would say! Gordon Brown would risk losing loads of votes from people on high salaries (all those City Boys) and he would never do that. Plus it would lead to people fiddling their salaries to avoid having to pay more income tax... sorry, but the more I think about it this is a stupid idea but it's scary that it has actually been proposed.
Here's another question - should think-tanks be forced to come up with useful ideas rather than just stuff that gets headlines but is totally bonkers?
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I agree, council tax should depend on where you live and what services you receive. In this way, the rich would sort of subsidize the rest of us because they probably live in posher areas and would pay more.
I have to say though I'm not all that clear on how council tax is calculated - it's not very transparent!
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The rich already subsidise council tax bills! Most of the money spent by councils goes on education, healthcare, social services and roads. Anyone earning over £200k is proabably paying the top rate of council tax but not getting anything back in return. Most likely their children are educated privately, they have private healthcare and dont use the roads becuase they need to work 14+ hours a day to earn that amount! Instead of always looking for someone else to shoulder the burden of rising council tax, why not ask why it is so high in the first place and why it has to go up by 4%? I dont see any think-tanks tackling that one!
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Could not agree with you more well put
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I hate it when the wealthy whinge about council tax...rather than basing the rate of council tax you pay on the size of your property (just because you have a big doesn't mean you're rich) it should depend on your income.
Hear hear to the pensioners who are risking jail to highlight just how unfair this is.
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Why? After my single person discount of 25%;I recieve my "wheely bin" emptied by my COUNCIL.I don't use Schools or swimming pool,Library :as a single person ,I subsidize the local families enough!Although I am not rich ;why should I be penalized for someone elses kids! Brian.
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What do you mean by "subsidise". In theory the rich have always subsidised the poor, its the basis on which our society works. However, in recent years, and since Mrs T scrapped the higher taxation rates, the rich have pushed ahead in the finance stakes well away from the majority of us.
Our public finance model has been tinkered with by successive Governments so much over the years that it is now almost totally useless. It would be a brave politician, not something that they are known for, that proposes a really radical overhaul.
How about getting another off the shelf from one of our European neighbours. Any suggestions which one.?
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So because I choose to spend my modest income on buying a larger house rather than blowing it by going to the pub, bookies or whatever, I am classed as rich and should subsidise someone earning probably more than myself (especially if there is more than one wage earner in the household) into the bargain.
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Council Tax is an unfair tax anyway. It ignores how many wage earners there are in a property; all persons in the property are eligible to use the council's services. The original valuations for CT were codswallop - unfairly guessed at by estate agents' estimates of what properties offered in an area, and what their values might have been at the time.... Mega rich people pay CT up to a ceiling band, then no more, thus the big property can be many times larger than a property on the lower bands, yet once the ceiling band is reached it is "free" of CT thereafter. Local taxation should be raised by national taxation which would cut out all the daft argument between one lot of penpushers at local level and another at national level. Local government pensions swallow over 23% of the CT take. There are also the inflated salaries of the CEO class, councillors (who used to work gratis) and expenses(limitless)to pay for before any services are costed. CT is not ring-fenced to a collection area. National government has found it very handy to raid the CT till, pushing CT to other areas in need of regeneration. Face it citizens, especially those retired and on lower incomes, we are victims of yet another government stealth tax.
On top of all that, the collection of CT is open to abuse as many Councils will admit if pressed. The write-offs per annum are horrendous caused by itinerant workers and multi-occupation addresses.
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I suppose it depends on what you mean by "rich", I'm not, but I'm taxed as if I was, just for having worked!
I paid the maximum the Treasury would allow into an AVC for the last 12 years of my working life - for which I get the princely sum of £1200 a year. Coincidentally this is just under HALF my council tax bill.
What do I get for this level of theft?
1/ We have the worst roads in the country
2/ I haven't borrowed a free book from the library in years - they are always "out of stock" (to make rooms for the records/tapes/PCs etc) so you have to pay to reserve/read them.
3/ We get our dustbins emptied every 2 weeks
As the only service I DO get is the dustbins - 26 times a year, or 25 allowing for holidays - that works out at £100 per dustbin.
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Council tax bills are set to rise 4% this year.
A think-tank has proposed that people who earn over £200,000 should pay extra income tax which could be used to keep council tax bills down.
But what do you think? Should the "rich" pay more in income tax in order to save people on lower incomes digging deep to meet their council tax bills?